Ben Simmons still has game so why doesn’t anybody want him?

It’s looming as one of the biggest stories in the NBA before the season has even started.

We’re less than three weeks away from opening night and Ben Simmons is yet to find a team to play for.

First came his off-season trade request.

Then came training camp — Simmons was a no-show.

The excessive fines for missing training — $7500 minimum — and games — $227,000 — hasn’t deterred Simmons from holding out either. ESPN also reportedthat Simmons is still under contract through 2024-25.

All this, on the eve of a brand new season, has not only held the 76ers back and disrupted their preparations, but Simmons has made it clear he doesn’t want to return to the city of brotherly love. And all signs indicate that Simmons’ relationship with Philadelphia — head coach Doc Rivers, Embiid, and fans — has disintegrated to a point of no return.

76er’s president Daryl Morey still believes that the relationship can be salvaged.

“I think there’s a lot of hope,” Morey said on Monday at media day.

“Look, every situation is different, but we have a lot of optimism that we can make it work here.”

And while Morey may hold the belief his team can get Simmons back playing ball in Philly, everything is up in the air and full of uncertainty.

The Athletic’s Sam Amick reported that the pairing of Simmons and Embiid “has run its course” because their playing styles clash.

“There’s nothing personal about this choice, it seems, but the 25-year-old Simmons has clearly decided that his career is better off without Embiid blocking the runways in the paint that he so badly needs to succeed,” Amick reported. “So while Embiid insisted to reporters on Monday that he wants Simmons back, this much is clear: The feeling is not mutual.”

Philly Inquirer reporter Keith Pompey asked Embiid about Simmons and Amick’s report and he called the situation “weird, disappointing, borderline kind of disrespectful to other guys that are out here fighting for their lives.”

Embiid wants Simmons to return and believes Philly is a better team with Simmons in it, but said the 76ers’ fit is not just about him and Simmons. He also didn’t hold back, saying “Our teams have always been built around his needs, so it was kind of surprising to see what was said.”

The rift between the 76ers and Simmons showed signs of strains last year when the Harden trade was floated.

But when he failed to fire offensively in the playoffs series against Atlanta where he didn’t attempt any three point shots and scored under 10 in five of the seven games – 17, 4, 8, 11, 8, 6, 5 – it revived old feelings about Simmons inability to be a reliable scorer. For all his defensive grunt, and stops, Simmons was best remembered in that Atlanta series for passing on a critical play when he should have taken the shot which highlighted how the confidence in himself to shoot the ball seemed to hit an all-time low.

Aussie basketball star Ben Simmons with the Philadelphia 76ers.

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In his four years at Philly Simmons is 5-from-34 for threes. There’s always been some hope that Simmons would develop the long ball and score with freedom. But that hasn’t happened.

It’s worth considering too, that the 76ers have dug their own hole here, or at least played their part. At the completion of their playoff loss to Atlanta, Simmons’ coach Doc Rivers was asked if Ben can be the point guard for a championship team, and he replied, “I don’t know.”

If confidence is what Simmons’ needed, that sure would have felt like a dagger in the back. Simmons needed his coach to stand up for him but instead he created further uncertainty around his game.

Another low-key dagger that didn’t help: Rivers suggesting that Simmons was shying away from the rugged Sixers fans and their critical assessments of him.

So, are we all that surprised at the Simmons stalemate?

David Thorpe, author of baseball newsletter TrueHoop, pointed some of the blame at Embiid:

“Joel Embiid can do a lot of things on the basketball court, but he didn’t use his considerable size, leadership, and sway with Philadelphia fans to lead Simmons to greatness.”

A front-runner for Simmons hasn’t emerged as yet but there is definitely interest in the Australian. Teams like the Kings, Raptors, Timberwolves, and Warriors have interest in Simmons. Jake Fischer from Bleacher Report says the Spurs have made inquiries. Some still believe Simmons’ best is ahead of him and there’s a future — still — in Philly.

For that to work, both parties need to compromise. For coach Doc Rivers, he needs to create plays and a style that would get the Simmons seal of approval — and I can’t see that kind of upheaval happening.

For Simmons, he’d need to learn to live with Embiid, but also fix his shot and be the all-round player —elite defender and reliable scorer — people believe he can be. Both of those require Simmons to concede and from what we’ve seen so far it doesn’t look like he wants to do that. Simmons wants to do what Kawhi Leonard did when he left the Spurs: move forward, make a fresh start.

There’s a lot left to play out.

Simmons could very well be back playing alongside Embiid later this month, or he could be playing his home games in San Francisco, or some other city . And then there’s door number three: he could be sitting out the whole season not playing at all — which seems highly unlikely.

But whatever happens, it’s clear that Simmons, at 25, still has to figure out what his best basketball looks like and while he’s now considering his future, his next team and where he best fits, there’s still more to his game he needs to work on and unlock — something he hasn’t been able to do in Philadelphia.

To be or not to Wallaby? A question posed to Tier 2 by the Rennie-vation of Tier 1 rugby

In my first ever Roar article I ask if we may take what is currently good and functional about Australian rugby, and deploy it to strengthen what is still weak in our game. (Tier 2, we’re lookin’ at you).

Last week Roarer, Stu opined: “Maybe we could have an annual Wallaby ‘Probables vs Possibles’ match at $20 bucks a ticket?”

In resonance with Stu’s wish to see more of our wider Wallaby squad members strut their stuff, I responded at the time with one of my current hobby horses – the shape of an ideal Trans-Tasman Super format.

More on that below, but first, a Rennievation update:

This Test season has seen the Rennievator with sleeves rolled up to his elbows, tinkering with the ideal design of the modern marsupial mongrel (and mongrelite).

From the higher than average skull thicknesses up front, who are slightly overplaying, (as in Swints’ swinging and Philip’s ‘swimming’), all the way back to the Lazaresque ‘underplay’ of Australia’s most controversial post-Campo creative, ‘Aussie Dave’ Rennie has knit a coherent team.

And a single pattern book to for all to knit from.

Something seems simple, and right, about this development, from a viewpoint amongst a tired Wallabies supporters group, watching on from outside the renovation fence.

But this team has won three on the trot, and a game beckons tomorrow night.

Could Rennie’s ‘Dad’n’Dave’ Army mix of elder and joey macropods hop over the 15 South American carnivores looking for revenge for last week’s score, and this week’s Byron visitor logistics?

Could Latin passion stung by cruel circumstances and rotten scheduling throw out a tripping trap?

Might Skippy drop, rather than hop, on the morrow? Could any more metaphors be mangled into service?

Tomorrow night will reveal how solid the Rennievated structure is. For a long time, I have wondered what a wily NZ coach would do with our Wallaby stock. And in Dave we have an answer. And some trust (for some of us, at least).

I liked Robbie Deans. A lot. But, in hindsight, he and we were culturally naive to think that Robbie’s gentle Canterbrian style would translate to that distracted amigo-led lot of yesteryear.

But back to Dave, our Aussie Dave. He has a team- ScoJo Wisemantel, Dan Mc, Taylor (did I miss any?) in support. Together they have set a dignified direction for an Australian team. Not just a Test team. A model team for any level. A culture of ‘team’. The one with no ‘I’ (but a lot of resonant skill) in it.

We could do with a bit of that at Super level. And at NRC level (or at ‘How about we even have an NRC?’ level).

Len Ikitau of the Wallabies celebrates after scoring a try

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WHAT HAS ALL THIS GOT TO DO WITH Super Rugby?

Back to Stu, and his wish for some Possible vs Probable action.

Stu is not alone in wanting to see the broader squad members perform at Tier1.5. (Not a test. Not Super). Such a talent display and distillation would be great for fans, player exposure and selector/developer IP. Agreed, Stu.

But in a crowded schedule where would such game(s) fit in?

What if such a spectacle was part of our existing schedule, and simultaneously enabled our provincial contact with New Zealand to be more competitive, marketable, and profitable?

That is, what if Australian Super players could once more, unto the breach, ‘frighten’ the five rugby factories to the east?

What if some of such games were simultaneously part of an early WB pre-test season?

Following is my draft Trans-Tasman model, modestly titled –

Another leg of rugby: The Trans-Tasman distillation

I’ve mentioned this idea on these boards before, but not as a stand-alone article.

1. Background
New Zealanders are rugby intelligent. (To those assuming that I am buying 50% of the Roar votes here, you’d be right).

NZers have for some time asked us to reduce our super team numbers.

We are “spread too thin” is one common observation. Oz rugby can’t sustain 5 Super sides, they say. (And this year’s OZ TT results beg for action).

Well we once tried to cull. We flicked the Force. But they boomeranged. And who looks silly now, after the Tahs finished last in both phases of the SR competition? Flicking doesn’t work anymore. Too many fans in inconvenient places, like Perth. Too many boomerangs.

Plus most of Oz purists believe that we need as much national footprint as we can possibly get. (Okay Aussies have big feet, but there’s still plenty of red dust unprinted). We need at least 5 pro teams hopping forward. If not more, (if not an NRC again, one day)

So how do we reconcile a “No Culling” policy at home, with

“Just Send Us Three Teams Bro” from across the ditch when it is marsupial massacre season next?

2. Foreground
Oz rugby may build a strong future, but has not yet a strong present.

Here are the distillation details-

Detail 1: Let the domestic leg of Super Rugby run with as many teams as each nation wishes. For Australia presently that would be 5. All franchises supported equally by RA.

Detail 2: When the international phase of competition arrives, NZ provides its usual five teams. Pasifika would provide two. Both these numbers are currently proposed.

But here’s the radical bit – Australia only offers 3 teams to this short phase of competition.

Detail 3: The 3 OZ teams offered to the Trans-Tasman phase of the competition, are to be made up of:

i) the SRAU winner, This year it was the Reds.

i) Possible/Probable Rep team1 Green

iii) Possible/Probable Rep team2 Gold

These two Rep teams to be formed from the best players from the four OZ wooden spooner franchises.

Eg. This season would’ve seen a TT with
1. Reds
2. Oz 1 (Brums and Rebs’best) or 2+5 ranking
3. Oz 2 (Tahs and Force’s best) or 3+4 ranking

Detail 4: These two Rep teams form an early Wallaby squad formation, to be designed and supervised by the WB coaching and development squad with assistance from Super coaches, and resourced at franchise level.

3. Potential positives:
– Increased depth in Oz TT squads

– Increased competitiveness against NZ SR excellence

– Growth in OZ elite coaching competence

– Early squad gathering and development of WB possibles for Rennie and Co., a potential boon in light of Pumas rise after the Jaguares’ cohesion over time.

– If competitiveness increases so will the engagement of fans and sponsors. This level of fun might lead to more fun ticket$?

– Retention of all SRAU franchises, before and after the TT leg of competition (ie. no more Force farces, an event decided on under external pressure)

– An increase in OZ cross-franchise cooperation and systems resonance over the broad Wallaby catchment.

4. THIS IDEA IS SHORT TERM – an experiment

This proposal is intended as a short-term development experiment to serve the code in the region. while increasing its quality.

If and when Australian Super squads increase in strength such a model would be abandoned for one more appropriate, such as a full provincial comp including all OZ franchises.

But for now, while OZ rugby rebuilds its Tier 2 competence, audience and depth, who wouldn’t love to see an increase in competitiveness in Trans-Tasman contests, while still allowing all Australian franchises to live, prosper and retain fans either side of the TT phase?

So, Roarers, I’ve set up my dartboard. I expect some darts. Shoot straight at me.

Oilers notebook: Is Kassian resurgence key to solving secondary scoring woes?

EDMONTON — The good news? How about winning your first two pre-season games by an aggregate score of 10-0 — while using four different goalies?

Then, of course, the bad news: A 5-1 beatdown by a veteran Winnipeg Jets lineup, when your top line featured Zack Kassian and Warren Foegele flanking Ryan McLeod.

The Edmonton Oilers came back down to earth Wednesday, not an unexpected occurrence in the pre-season given the disparity of lineups we tend to see. How long does the experimenting last for head coach Dave Tippett?

“(Until) Saturday,” he said. “We play Friday night and Saturday afternoon, and we’ll be down close to our team by Sunday.”

The team did make these roster moves on Thursday, though.

Assigned to Bakersfield Condors (AHL):
Devin Brosseau (F)
Matteo Gennaro (F)
Yanni Kaldis (D)
Dino Kambeitz (F)
Raphael Lavoie (F)
Kirill Maksimov (F)
Ostap Safin (F)
Tim Soderlund (F)

Returned to Shawinigan Cataractes (QMJHL):
Xavier Bourgault (F)

That leaves three pre-season games for hopefuls like Tyler Benson, Brendan Perlini, Colton Sceviour, William Lagesson and, yes, Josh Archibald to do whatever they have to do to make this team.

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Some thoughts on that:

•••

Archibald is in the strangest of places, the only unvaccinated Oilers player who still has not skated with the team at this training camp. Now we find out he is in ill health.

He does not have Covid 19 — Tippett said that Archibald has “tested negative every day” — but he is not healthy enough to take part in training camp either.

“He skated and he just wasn’t feeling right,” said Tippett, who added that doctors were doing some blood work, hoping to diagnose the problem. “There is some concern there, and they just want to get to the bottom of it before they start pushing him any harder.”

Then there is the issue of being the only unvaccinated player on the roster. With quarantine issues involved in travelling to and from the United States, a non-vaccinated player on a Canadian NHL team could be forced to miss nearly half the season (without pay) due to mandatory government quarantines.

Will Archibald take the jab?

“Right now we’re worried about his health,” said Tippett. “As it stands, I don’t think he would be eligible to get a vaccination. They want to make sure he’s healthy (first).”

We’ll stand by our prediction that the Oilers won’t keep an unvaccinated Archibald on their roster, despite the fact he is a useful player. They’ll have to get to the bottom of his health concerns, then the decision to roll up his sleeve in Edmonton or catch a plane to Bakersfield will be up to the player.

•••

Speaking of drama, there was a time when Zack Kassian was awash in it.

Buffalo’s first-round draft pick was swapped for failed Vancouver first-rounder Cody Hodgson, and then he flamed out in Montreal before getting his life and career back on track in Edmonton in 2015.

Now, after an injury-plagued and ineffective season in 2020-21, Kassian is an elder statesman on this team and a family man. This is his seventh season in Edmonton, and the 30-year-old spoke this week about the different view he has on the game as he enters his 30s.

“As you get older in the league, you realize what a privilege it is to (play in the league). As you get older, with family, kids, you try not to take it for granted. I want to win a Stanley Cup,” he said. “I know people are getting impatient, but it’s a process. And I think we’re well on our way to being contenders.

“You can’t play in this league forever. You try to do everything you possibly can to bring a Cup back to Edmonton.”

There is so much hockey player here, it’s easy to see why Tippett has him book-ended with Foegele on Edmonton’s third line. If Kassian can bring it, with his size, speed and decent hands, that line — likely with centre Derek Ryan — could go a long ways to solving Edmonton’s support scoring issues.

“He’s going to step back and really have a good year,” Tippett predicted. “He’s a big piece of our team, a leader. We need him to play well. We think him and Foegele on the third line can give us some heavy hard minutes.

“He can play a heavy, mean game, but he skates well and has good skill. You can play with top player, or on a heavy line.”

Kassian can’t just be a passenger, not at $3.2 million per season. We’ll watch with interest to see if the bruising winger can find some consistency in an up-and-down career that has landed him, he says, in a place where he thinks he can win.

“When I came here, you had Connor McDavid, you get Leon Draisaitl, you get Darnell Nurse,” he began. “To see these players grow and to be with an organization that long is pretty cool. When you’re in a market like this, they want to win. Trust me: We want to win just as much.

“You’re not really hoping for it. You know it’s there if we put in the work,” he said. “We might have something special here.”

•••

Speaking of something special, McDavid between wingers Zach Hyman and Jesse Puljujarvi could turn out to be one of the National Hockey League’s most dominant lines, if the chemistry falls into place.

We see Hyman winning pucks that McDavid’s former left wingers seldom won, and getting the puck to the Oilers captain. Hyman’s a battler who draws defencemen in, while everyone is aware of McDavid at all times. That leaves Puljujarvi to find the quiet places to be a target for McDavid’s first pass.

How many one-timer opportunities from inside the dots could he have this season?

Puljujarvi has been a slow developer. That makes me believe he still has much room to improve. He is only 23 and hasn’t even played 200 NHL games yet (194).

The six-foot-four Finn found his NHL legs last season. This season, a comfortable-looking Puljujarvi on a line with the best offensive player in the game and a steady, solid left winger — plus some powerplay time — will score 25 goals. Maybe more.

Senators Notebook: Pinto knocking on door for second-line centre role

On paper, at least, just two games into the pre-season schedule, this is still the fun-and-games portion of training camp.

It’s a beautiful thing — to be able to look awful, as the Ottawa Senators did against the visiting Toronto Maple Leafs on Wednesday, lose 4-0, drop a shootout to boot and still get to call it a meaningless game.

Meaningless in the standings, at least. For players trying to earn a spot or move up in the lineup, they all matter.

Zach Ostapchuk would call the pre-season meaningful. At 18, Ostapchuk was awarded a three-year, entry-level contract with the Senators prior to the Leafs game. A six-foot-three centre, Ostapchuk was drafted 39th overall in 2021 and has impressed the organization throughout camp with his skill and spirited play.

Even though the Senators have split into separate NHL and AHL camp groups, the young prospects hoping to make an impression can still do so, and some will continue to get time in the five remaining exhibition games.

And yet, when you take a look at Ottawa’s roster with an eye toward opening night on Oct. 14, how many spots are realistically up for grabs?

Not many. If any.

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We are starting to see signs of the Senators moving further along the path out of their rebuild, most notably that the young players just breaking in over the past few years — like Brady Tkachuk, Drake Batherson, Tim Stützle — are now firmly entrenched in the lineup. Add in the veterans either in the system or newly-added and that doesn’t leave a lot of room.

“Every year it’s going to get harder and harder (to earn a spot) because these young players that are continuing to develop are taking spots and we plan on these guys being here, you know, eight to ten years,” head coach D.J. Smith said at the outset of camp.

The only reason there’s an opening in the forward group is because Tkachuk is still outside of camp trying to negotiate a new contract.

Veteran winger Zach Sanford was acquired from the St. Louis Blues for a bubble guy centre, Logan Brown, who would not have made this team out of camp. With Sanford a lock to be here, there goes another forward spot.

Let’s take a look at the forwards as they were set up at practice prior to Wednesday’s game, and again at Thursday’s practice:

Alex Formenton — Josh Norris — Drake Batherson

Tim Stützle — Chris Tierney — Connor Brown

Nick Paul — Colin White — Zach Sanford

Tyler Ennis — Shane Pinto — Austin Watson

What jumps off the page immediately — Formenton is a placeholder on that top line. As soon as Tkachuk arrives, Formenton slides down and someone has to come out of the lineup, whether Formenton or Ennis.

The other misfit in that chart? Pinto, coming off a spectacular game in Winnipeg Sunday, slotted in as the fourth-line centre. After Tierney’s struggles on Wednesday (admittedly, the entire team played badly), Pinto has earned the right to move back into that second-line centre spot.

Advantage Pinto

Does Pinto jump right into a starting role with the Senators after playing just 12 NHL games last season right out of college?

He could. In fact, he should, based on his play at camp to this point. Pinto may be the most intriguing story left in camp. The rest already feels like it’s been decided.

Prior to the Leafs game, Smith was adamant about trying Tierney as his No. 2 centre behind Norris.

“Chris came back in great shape, he did his part,” Smith said. “We want to put him in a few more offensive situations this year. He had 48 points a few years ago. We’re going to move them all around and see where guys fit best. But we think we have a ton of penalty killers and guys who can do that role — I think can give us a bit more offence this year.”

It is only one game, and pre-season at that, but Tierney did very little with 17:18 of ice time, including 4:08 on the power play. He did win five of his eight faceoffs. While his linemate, Stützle, did show some individual flashes, there was little line chemistry.

Pinto is smart, brings more pace and is a better finisher than Tierney. The kid might just make Smith’s next move obvious.

Brannstrom question

Barring an injury, Ottawa’s defence will have veterans filling out the top six spots. Jacob Bernard-Docker, the highly touted prospect from the University of North Dakota, has already been put in the AHL group and can use the opportunity to develop his game in Belleville this year.

Lassi Thomson has had a good camp but needs more time. Erik Brannstrom had some moments in Wednesday’s game, but continues to have issues in his own zone and there are questions about his future in the organization, despite the fact he was acquired in a high-profile trade for franchise winger Mark Stone.

As a local broadcaster noted after Wednesday’s game, there hasn’t been enough “wow” factor with Brannstrom, considering he is small, defensively suspect and needs to stand out in a big way — the way Erik Karlsson once did.

Considering Victor Mete has roughly the same skill set, is more experienced and requires waivers, Brannstrom is likely going down to the AHL at the end of camp.

Roster will change again

Remember last season when fans were riled about young players sitting out while veterans played? By the end of the season, Pinto, Formenton and Brannstrom were playing regularly and the team was rolling. That is more like it, everyone said.

And with veterans Michael Del Zotto and Nick Holden arriving before camp, there were cries of ‘here we go again.’ Keep in mind things can change in a hurry. Until Jake Sanderson and Bernard-Docker, Thomson and other prospects are ready for prime time, Ottawa can at least try to tap into some added experience. If the Senators falter — and let’s face it, this group is a year or two away from legitimate contention — then some of these veterans on shorter term deals (eg. Sanford or Del Zotto) could easily be flipped at the trade deadline for picks.

In their place, defencemen like Sanderson (assuming he leaves UND after this season), Brannstrom (if he’s still in the organization) or a JBD or Thomson can come up and play if they have earned it.

There may not be a lot of spots open now, but that doesn’t mean there won’t be openings for prospects later in the season.

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Fans, finally, but not many

Wednesday’s game against the Leafs was far from a sellout, even by the standards of the current limits (9,000-plus) but it was nice to see the few thousand in attendance for Ottawa’s first home game since March 5, 2020.

Attendance was not cited on the NHL.com official game summary, but the building didn’t appear to be even one-quarter full (capacity 18,652). Friday’s home game against the Montreal Canadiens should draw better.

It will be interesting to monitor the Senators’ attendance this season, in the face of multiple challenges. There has been little by way of news to market — even the long-awaited Brady Tkachuk signing is dragging its heels, and Senators president Anthony LeBlanc has not been able to assure fans that the arena will be open to capacity when the season starts (although it is optimistic in that regard).

Add in the hesitancy that some may have to join indoor audiences, even if CTC staff are demanding proof of coronavirus vaccine and masks for fans, plus the extra time it takes to check everyone’s vaccination proof at entrance ways . . . and it isn’t hard to find barriers that could impact attendance.

Players and coaches are elated that fans are back, in whatever number.

“We have some exciting young players and we want the fans to grow with us,” Smith said.

They will grow. But like this rebuild to contention, it will take some time for fans to feel confident again.

Flames notebook: Giordano steals the show in first visit back to Calgary

CALGARY — As expected, Mark Giordano stole the show in his return to Calgary Wednesday night.

It took less than 30 seconds into the opening national anthem for Saddledome faithful to start cheering for the longtime Flames captain.

Those cheers turned into a spontaneous roar when he got the puck off the opening draw.

Soon thereafter he exchanged shoves with Elias Lindholm after a hit in front of the Flames’ bench, reminding us all, life goes on.

Giving a crowd of roughly 9,000 what they wanted (well, sort of), Giordano opened the scoring three minutes in with a backhand that found its way through Dan Vladar to open the scoring.

Cue the “Gio, Gio” chants.

“It was nice to see the fans giving him the Gio chants during and between anthems,” smiled Milan Lucic, following the Flames 4-3 shootout loss to Giordano’s Seattle Kraken. “I think it will go up a notch Dec. 23 when he has his real comeback to Calgary. For him I’m sure it was nice to get a goal in Calgary — his first with Seattle.”

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The Flames hastily cobbled together a short tribute video that was played for Giordano midway through the first period, which he followed by jumping over the boards to take a few twirls saluting and thanking the crowd.

Call it a bonus visit as no one expected the 37-year-old to play.

Giordano explained that he wanted to get the first visit under his belt as the newly-formed Kraken need to quickly build familiarity ahead of their inaugural season opener.

The chemistry sure seemed to be there between Giordano and Adam Larsson, as a formidable top pairing.

Giordano, who will most likely be named captain of the Kraken, was wearing an A on his jersey, as were Jordan Eberle and Jaden Schwartz.

The Flames, who’ve said they’ll take their time before naming a captain to replace Giordano, had Matthew Tkachuk, Mikael Backlund and Chris Tanev as alternate captains Wednesday.

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EMPTYING THE NOTEBOOK

• One of the great storylines that could be playing out in Seattle revolves around a defensive pairing of two brothers: Cale and Haydn Fleury. Cale, who is a 22-year-old righty, lined up alongside his 25-year-old brother Wednesday night. On an expansion team with some pretty solid defensive options, the natives of Carlyle, Sask., could quickly become household names in Seattle if they can remain blue-line partners.

• Those on hand Wednesday got a reminder of how exciting the roar of the crowd can be when Backlund tied the game in the dying minutes. Alas, Eberle’s shootout snipe silenced the building, leaving the Flames 0-2-1 in the pre-season. Their next game is Friday, hosting Vancouver.

• Sutter’s frank assessment of Vladar, who let in three goals in 21 shots: “He had a rough night.”

• Two notables who are pushing to be amongst the first call-ups of the season — Glenn Gawdin and Oliver Kylington — had good showings. Gawdin looks to be a solid penalty killer and Kylington was paired with Tanev to play more minutes than anyone in the game, at 24:27. He got plenty of ice time in overtime where Sutter wanted to see him use his speed and offensive instincts.

“We need mobility back there — that’s obvious,” said the coach.

• It didn’t seem all that long ago that overtime was an exciting brand of firewagon hockey, with teams trading Grade A chances at both ends in an exciting show of speed, skill and creativity.

Not Wednesday.

Both teams circled back out of the offensive zone endlessly in a five-minute skating show that featured a lone shot, from the Flames. Neither team wanted to make a mistake.

“Both teams, one shot — not sure you count that as a scoring chance,” said Sutter. “You need the puck. Misconception of overtime is it’s all stretch plays. It’s close together with speed.”

To emphasize his strategy works, Sutter pointed out his overtime success in Los Angeles.

“I’m used to winning overtimes,” he said. “Came from an organization that still holds the record for the most. It’s not something we’ve practiced or talked about.”

Yet.

• Sean Monahan has been centering the second line between Johnny Gaudreau and Andrew Mangiapane during camp, but due to his hip surgery last fall the team has held him out of all three pre-season games to protect him as much as possible for a fresh start opening night. Backlund took his spot Wednesday.

• The latest Flames lines:

Tkachuk-Lindholm-Coleman
Gaudreau-Backlund-Mangiapane
Lucic-Gawdin-Lewis
Kirkland-Froese-Duehr

Valimaki-Stone
Kylington-Tanev
Zadorov-Andersson